this is across the board, but they said, obama cares about people like me. >> bill: all right and i'm saying to you is i don't think 71% of hispanics are secular progressives, would you agree with that. >> no, and that should say to you, when you look at catholics, hispanics, strongly catholic, these are patriots, these people love america, they believe in the work-- >> romney couldn't put it in vivid terms. mary katherine, you say. i think you're on target on a bunch of this, and we've reached a turning point of sorts, but that doesn't mean that folks who believe what romney believes or believed in general to the right of center as juan was pointing out, many people still do, that that can't result in electoral victory in the future. you're correct that it takes a special person. it takes a special person in barack obama to bring the left where it is right now and frankly surprised it got here and takes somebody to connect with people who is charismatic and smart and takes to people in a smart way where you are not demonizing anybody that i or bill is doing that in explicit ways, but